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Spoiler for this week:
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Sango has given her gas mask to Rin. She's gone on ahead towards
Naraku.
Sango: 'It's hard to breathe... It feels like the shouki has gotten
even more intense...'
Seeing Sango like this, Rin pleads with Sesshoumaru.
Rin: "Sesshoumaru-sama, let's go after Sango-sama! The shouki will
get her!"
Maybe he did intend to do as Rin said, but in order to stop him,
countless thorn-like objects appear between Sango and Sesshoumaru's
group, separating them.
Kohaku: "Wha..."
Sesshoumaru: "Hmph... it would be problematic if we caught her,
huh..."
Sango has not noticed that she is now by herself. Her mind is full
of thoughts of Miroku.
Sango: 'Houshi-sama, wait for me!'
Then, she discovers Naraku's real body. Inuyasha's group is nearby
as well.
Sango: "Naraku!"
Naraku: "Be happy, Sango... the monk is still alive."
Upon seeing her, Inuyasha's group yells at Sango, with Kagome
speaking urgently.
Kagome: "Sango-chan, put on your gas mask! Naraku is trying to kill
us with shouki!"
However, Sango doesn't seem to hear Kagome and launches an attack at
Naraku. ... Even if she did hear Kagome, having given her gas mask
to Rin, Sango can't do anything.
Sango: "Shouki, jyaki... I'll break through it all! Hiraikotsu!"
Sango throws Hiraikotsu at Naraku. Against Hiraikotsu, Naraku forms
a tornado of shouki to deflect it.
Sango: "Have you forgotten, Naraku? My Hiraikotsu can break through
jyaki!"
Naraku smirks at Sango's words, and purposely lets Hiraikotsu hit
him.
Inuyasha: "Did she do it?!"
However, when Hiraikotsu returns to Sango, it has been filled with
Naraku's shouki. Because of this, Sango is showered in Naraku's
shouki. Seeing this, Kagome tries to shoot a purification arrow at
the shouki around Sango, but it's already too late.
Naraku: "It's too late to purify it now. Sango has already been
bathed in an abundance of Naraku's shouki...." (ed. Is this really
Naraku talking in third person, or a typo?)
Naraku: "Kukuku, Sango... I never thought you'd hand over your
lifeline gas mask to Rin. Even if it was to overcome a sin..."
Miroku rushes to the falling Sango.
Miroku: "Sango..."
Then Naraku shifts the terrain and sends Miroku and Sango falling
down together. Inuyasha tries to go to them, but Naraku prevents
him.
Naraku: "Kukuku... How about I make their last moments together
dreadful..."
Miroku and Sango have fallen. Miroku rushes to where Sango has
collapsed.
Miroku: "Sango... why..."
As Miroku utters this, the sound from his Kazaana can be heard.
Sango: "The sound from... Houshi-sama's Kazaana... Did I...
fail...? Houshi-sama..."
Miroku: "Sango, I'm sorry. For leaving you alone..."
Sango: "Houshi-sama... take me with you..."
Miroku: "Sango..."
Scene change to Naraku. Sango and Miroku's suffering has given the
power of darkness to the Shikon no Tama he holds. Even more, the
despair is greater than he thought, giving the Shikon no Tama more
power.
Then, the scene changes again. This time, it's to the long-absent
Toutousai and Myouga. They're looking at Naraku's giant black orb
floating in the sky.
Myouga: "Inuyasha-sama..."
Toutousai: "Come back, Inuyasha. The Meidou Zangetsuha you received
from Sesshoumaru... if you can truly make it your own... you will
win!
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Lyssandra
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Sango and Miroku lose. Someone go down there and tell those two to stop giving power to the darkness. They're really cramping our style here.
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Miya's voice is too powerful. She will pwn all. Yes, even Naraku and his stupid jewel thing.
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Maybe a bit of Sumire as well... :3c
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jadehorse77
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All I gotta say is this...Naraku is scared of Kagome right now, and he's really scared of Kagome and Inuyasha together. I'm hating that we're going through yet another sword upgrade or whatever, but if she's going to fill another volume, it looks like she's got some stalling to do.
Sango and Miroku...gosh, those panels were great. It was so emotional, but the thing that made me feel the most sad was seeing Kirara in her tiny kitty form falling alongside Sango. If she'd still been in big cat form, I probably would hardly have noticed that she was falling too, but in the little form it made me feel so bad for her!
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VRaptorX
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Well...the ball is now in the land of dead demons too eh? So technically....any random dead demon they killed along the way can join in? Band of Seven? Inu's Dad?
That and does it seem sad that the "darkest" arc still feels like childsplay compared to the very fist chapter? She really should have kept that pacing the whole time through. Or at least keep the content consistent. When you start off balls to the wall then you gotta stay balls to the wall.
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jadehorse77
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From Patches....
It's that time again! First starting off with the cellphone
preivew, which is amazingly more informative than usual!
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Chapter 546: "Naraku's Wish" (Naraku no Nozomi)
Miroku and Sango have fallen deep within Naraku's body. Angered,
Inuyasha brandishes his sword at Naraku, but at that time, Naraku
uses the Shikon no Tama...
Note that the final sentence is actually "Naraku ____ the Shikon no
Tama", since it's another one of those dangling-object sentences,
but I figured my word choice was still ambiguous enough.
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Lyssandra
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The chapter is out, and I have to say, I'm surprised. KAGOME HAS SPECULATIVE DIALOGUE! Naraku goes all emo because he has no friends. That was possibly the only plot twist this manga ever had!
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| Lyssandra wrote: | | KAGOME HAS SPECULATIVE DIALOGUE! Naraku goes all emo because he has no friends. |
 It's the sign of the apocalypse! RUN FOR TEH HILLS!!!
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VRaptorX
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Wait.....the Mary Sue can think?
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jadehorse77
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So Naraku has spent all this time being a bad guy because he has commitment issues. LOL
Kagome touched a nerve though, his eyes went all white, he's going in a rage. Next week, sword upgrade!!!! 
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VRaptorX
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OMG! I just read the chapter and wow did I get giddy. Wait so....Naraku is saying that Kikyou's feelings for Inu made the jewel come back and that the jewel will never go away......so he's saying that the jewel itself will always love Inuyasha? Kikyou is in the jewel! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
OK.....now beimng serious. "You tore Inu and Kikyou apart" *zoom up on Inuyasha's face. Then Inuyasha says "kagome, what are you saying?"
Well there are many ways to interprit this. It could be her saying she loves Inu and doesn't want to be torn apart from him as well.....or we could have her wanting Inu and Kikyou to reclaim what they once had. Inuyasha did get that zoom effect (did he remember his promise?) and we have the whole "pure wish" thing coming back around. So....Kagome wishes for Inuyasha and Kikyou to be together? Is Kagome letting go of Inuyasha?
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jadehorse77
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You are such a hater, you know that? It seems to me that the wish is going to have a lot more to do with Naraku than with anyone else. Come on, Naraku even pointed out about Kagome trying to purify his heart.
Naraku wished on the jewel for Kikyou to be his, and it didn't work. It seems to me that the whole compassion on the enemy thing and the similarities between Inuyasha's and Naraku's situations, both being hanyou.....wouldn't it make so much more sense for the wish to be to purify Naraku, to save him? That would be so much more selfless.
And the jewel, from Kikyou's lingering feelings, using Kagome to come back....it's like Kagome was destined to love Inuyasha.
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VRaptorX
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It would be odd that after all this Naraku turns good and basically becomes Kikyou's servant in a way.
As for Kagome destined to love Inu. True. though I guess that means she had no choice. If she wasn't reincarnated feelings...would she still love Inu? I know that will NEVER be part of a plot arc but I like the whole illusion of free will theory stuff. Does she really love Inu or is it Kikyou's feelings inside her that love Inu? Man....I gotta right that down and put that in a plot somewhere. Now all I need to figure out is.....which of my characters will be a reincarnation with feelings left over? I really can't put it in anywhere in my current one.
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jadehorse77
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Wishing on the jewel for love is obviously not going to work. Who gets to be with who is too flippant and too irrelevant a subject. I'm thinking that the grander ideals of good and evil are more important here...
I'm not saying that Naraku should turn good. I'm saying that Naraku should be purified, or forgiven, or redeemed. As in, having compassion and pity on the enemy, to protect one's own heart from becoming tainted. If they destroy Naraku in a rage and then wish something on the jewel, we'll just repeat the whole story all over again. Something vastly different has to happen this time.
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VRaptorX
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Still....wouldn't it be funny as hell seeing Naraku and Kikyou a couple at the end?
Naraku: sweetie? you need help with anything?
Kikyou: Wash the clothes
naraku: yes ma'am.
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VRaptorX
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next chapter....I'm starting to get worried. Inuyasha slashed the shikon no tama directly. If that thing shattered and we need to find the peiuces again....OMG would I be pissed.
And Inuyasha mentioned a fate between him and the shikon no tama. Did I miss something? Is his life like comnnected to the jewel? Or is he talking about the Kikyou and him attacking eachother thing?
And oh man...Sango better not die. If she dies and Miroku lives than something really is backwards in Takahashi's mind. She had an upgrade and he didn't. It makes just as much sense as Kouga living only to never be seen again.
And speaking of the jewel....I take it the group will have to destroy it. And considering that Kikyou stated the only way to get rid of it is a pure wish.....I take it someone will be wishing for something? But knowing RT....likly just attacking it will destroy it completly....or if someone does make a wish it would be like "bring Inuyasha back to life for me"....which is a damn selfish wish.....and it would work too.
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jadehorse77
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Hmm...I think it's looking like Sesshoumaru and Inuyasha are going to do the Naraku destroying, and then Kagome will have to deal with the jewel. Naraku just isn't letting Kagome do anything to him, meaning he must be afraid of her ability to purify him.
Yeah, I was a little confused about the 'fate with the jewel' thing Inuyasha said as well.
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You know what I think...
I think Rumiko is gonna pull another Rowling on us. I don't know why, but I just feel it.
I don't care anymore anyways, IY has been dragging on too long. I mean, seriously? Just who in the entire world has a life to read over 50 books of comics?!
I know I don't.
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VRaptorX
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I've read like 50 garfield comic books. i even have the garfield novels (where they turn into superheroes on planet polyester).
Trust me it's possible. It only takes a few hours actually.
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jadehorse77
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Wow, I had no idea there was so much Garfield out there. LOL
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VRaptorX
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yup.....it's out there.
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jadehorse77
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So it looks like Byakuya is going to do something this week. It's hard to tell from the script without seeing the scans, but he either betrays Naraku, or else his 'ace in the hole' doesn't work. And Kirara is back this week yay!
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Lyssandra
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Dead. Byakuya's Dead, though he does something to Kagome before he dies, so we're not entirely sure what that might be.... And it looks like Miroku isn't going to die just yet! Surprised?
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VRaptorX
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bout damn time he died. He was the lamest of Naraku's henchmen. he was just a Kagura wannabee.
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VRaptorX
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Geez god damn was his death lame. He just stands there and gets hit once and then basically says, "Oh....I thought I'd die when Naraku dies. oh well."
he didn't even have an emotional death speech. Even Kanna who never talks had more emotion.
And come on....Inuyasha and Kagome not paying attention....you get a free hit and you.....slice her back? I'm not an evil mastermind but when you get an opening like that you stab her through her neck or something. make sure she's dead if she's such a threat. Jeez....this is like a James Bond movie momment.
"Yes....I have you captured with 30 people with machine guns at you....now I'll send you into that room with the insanly elaborate but easily escapable trap."
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jadehorse77
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I think he cut her soul. Or sent part of her soul to hell. I think Byakuya did exactly what he intended to do.
There's also the possibility that he has betrayed Naraku anyway, and we will find out later.
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VRaptorX
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OK the newest chapter is basically one big fight where everyone is just fine and dandy/healed up and they've all joined together to fight Naraku who was almost getting away.
And Inuyasha says they arn't missing anyone......um...Kouga and Kikyou? You're missing them. And light has returned to the jewel. So now I wonder what good Byakuya did. So far it seems like absolutly nothing.
That and they are still doing that whole garbage "light is the hope of teh team" stuff. Whatever happened to Midoriko,Kikyou,Kagome spiritual powers fighting inside the jewel? That made sense, this new one causes a huge plot hole. Kikyou planned a trap she 100% knew would work but the light faded which means she didn't believe. Hmmm.....contradiction. That and we confirmed already that the light was Kikyou's trap/soul/whatever and it decided to go into Kohaku instead. So now we are saying it was happy feelings? WWE 3 month rule much?
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jadehorse77
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I just loved how everyone is all banged up and scratched and dirty....except for Sesshoumaru. LOL
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Lyssandra
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Well he doesn't even really have to touch anyone. All he had to do was swipe his sword and everything blows up, for lack of better words.
As for everyone not being there, I imagine that Inuyasha meant that everyone who came into Naraku's body....
Besides, anytime you try to make sense of manga and anime, I have an anurism. Come to think of it, I should probably be dead right now. I'm a medical miracle!
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VRaptorX
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OK well I just read the chapter (no scans....*cries*) and apparently Kagome lost her purifying powers again! God damn it Takahashi! Can we please have something ELSE happen to Kagome? This is the 50th time for crying out loud.
And Naraku is getting closer to a village....why that village? I don't know but he's trying to live long enough to get there. And Keade is there so maybe that has something to do with it. Possibly some weird "you and Kaede are technically sisters in a weird way, I'll use her blood to anti yours" plot? Kikyou momment (since apparently we have established that Naraku apparently wanted her as a girlfriend or something so I take it she might be comming back yet again into the plot/plan despite not being around.)
PS: how is Kaede not dead yet? People were old if they lasted to the age of 40 back then. She's a least in her mid 60's by now. Her and Kouga. Kouga should have just died if we are never seeing him again. He isn't even attempting to help? He's worthless. Should have given him a "died fighting" death. That and come on....Kikyou....Kouga.....which one is less powerful? This is like killing off say....princess Zelda but having Tingle walk off. There is just something a bit wrong with the logic on that one.
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Lyssandra
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All I know is, if the first thing Naraku wants to do after absorbing the Shikon No Tama is go over and destroy Kaede's village.... I'm kind of disappointed in his ambitions. I thought they might be bigger than that. I suppose that's just me though.
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jadehorse77
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It seems to me like it would make more sense that he is heading to the village to use hostages....to shield himself with innocents, knowing that Inuyasha, Kagome, even Sesshoumaru...none of them would hurt an innocent to get at Naraku.
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Lyssandra
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Perhaps that's a better goal, but I don't know if that will occur to Takahashi though. Guess we'll have to wait until next week.
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VRaptorX
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551....who didn't see that coming? Kagome is now going to take a shot that will 100% purify the jewel, when everyone else's super attacks do squat to it. And I take it RT will forget that last time that didn't work. why...because it's the same place se shattered teh jewel and when full circle comes around...continuity means nothing.
She is the queen of luck shots. She has no real....skill. Let's take a look at this final battle. Inu, Sango, Sesshy, Miroku are all fighting and attacking while Kagome TALKS. And take a wild guess which one of these people will be the final shot to destroy naraku.
I said it before and I'll say it again, she is a Mary fn Sue that does nothing but get the last hit. That bow was wasted on her, it did nothing to upgrade her. This manga shouldn't even be called Inuyasha; it should be called adventures of the wannabee Sailor Moon and her friends that do all the work for her.
Damn this pisses me off. I better be getting Inu and Kikyou after this turn of events. At least she would actually attack CONSTANTLY even when dying. She actually (metephorically of course) had a set of balls. She better still have some trap or return or something still around, especially after kagome gave that speech about Inu and Kikyou being unfairly ripped apart a few chapters back and Kikyou dying words being the promise they made, and when Kikyou decided to undo her trap to save someone else's life (more character development than Kagome ever had. really....has she done anything different from the start of the manga? honestly. She should have picked up something by now.)
I just can't stand it when the character that is utterly useless in battle always gets the victory shot. It's a cliche beyond belief and is annoying as hell. The superhero come from nowhere perfection is garbage. All Mary Sue characters should be burned. Why do people always love these characters? there is never anything about them remotly redeeming as a character. they are just a giant deus ex machine of crap.
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VRaptorX
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OK...i took that a bit too far. sorry.
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jadehorse77
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Just calm down a little, it'll be alright. 
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VRaptorX
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I just can't stand Mary Sue cliches. 
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jiggly
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yeah
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Lyssandra
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Well, as Sherlock Holmes would say, there's nothing new under the sun, so technically everything is a little cliche.
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jadehorse77
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Completely independent, lone wolf, badass women who can kick ass are cliche as well.  Especially if they have huge chests. 
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VRaptorX
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but they are a good cliche. They don't make me want to staple their mouth shut.
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VRaptorX
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Where are the scans OneManga? We are a day late and I am very impatient about stuff that is suppossed to come on a consistant basis be it monthly, weekly, etc.
Delaying games is fine since that is normal but this stuff with a strict deadline gets annoying.
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jadehorse77
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It's Golden Week this week, so no chapter until next week.
Are you okay? You sound a little stressed.
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VRaptorX
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oh....OK than that makes sense.
And I'm fine actually. I was overkilling it for fun. though I have been dreaming about reading the scans and apparently Naraku wants to go to the village and destrouy it to completly destroy all of Kikyou which made me all happy cuz there would be something about her and the jewel we didn't know and she still has influence.....then I woke up. 
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jadehorse77
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Ha ha ha!
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jiggly
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Vrap, you scare me some times.
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jadehorse77
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SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Chapter is titled "Naraku's Death"
Kagome fires an arrow at Naraku finally!! Yay!!
Naraku:
My real wish...? That's right... I merely... wanted Kikyou's
heart... Kikyou, it looks like... I can't go the same place you
did...
The arrow hits the jewel.
At that time, I... made a wish on the jewel... I made it when
Byakuya cut Kagome. When I die... that wish will be granted...
Naraku is annihilated. At that time, a meidou appears behind Kagome.
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VRaptorX
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Please tell me you are joking. kagome does absolutly nothing while everyone else is fighting for so many chapters.....then she gets one shot and 100% kills him?
****ING MARY SUE!
And....Naraku's reasoning still makes no sense. Is he trying to....be with Kikyou? Are we gonna get some spirit talk with her forgiving him and them ending up a couple? That ironically....would make sense at some level. Though I still want Inu with Kikyou, especially with her DYING WISH to meet with Inu in the afterlife. Kagome goes to her time and she finds Inu's reincarnation.
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VRaptorX
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Wait hold up....a meidou behind kagome? Did....Sesshy attack kagome after Naraku died?
Is something gonna come out of it? What about the jewel? this could be an interesting development.
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jadehorse77
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It's almost 100% positive that Naraku/Byakuya are responsible for the Meidou. His last wish on the jewel was probably something along the lines of "If I die, then Kagome has to die too."
Vrap, cut Kagome some slack. She's not a fighter. What can a teenage girl with no special youkai powers or slayer training do? She leaves the hand-to-hand stuff to people who can do it. If she were some badass fighter, then we'd have a gang full of badass fighters...and that would be boring. Her role is the spiritual powers, and she HAS got those. Inuyasha can do the big blows, she can do the purifying stuff. If she were completely independent, then there would be no story.
And let's not forget, this may not be the literal end of Naraku. I have a feeling that he's not done yet.
You claim that Kagome has done absolutely nothing while everyone else has been fighting....I beg to differ. She has been doing her darndest to shoot at him, and he kept foiling her. She hasn't been standing there with her finger in her nose all this time.
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VRaptorX
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yeah but how about this for an idea: kagome shoots an arrow that does damage but doesn't kill.....and then someone else waits and gets the last blow? Let's differ things up a bit.
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VRaptorX
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that and the title is INUYASHA. he should be the star of the show. This has turned into....well if you make a Speed racer show where Speed is a backround character and the monkey is the main character instead.
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jadehorse77
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Yep, it is about Inuyasha, and I have a sneaky suspicion that he will have a lot to do with the end of the jewel. But really, Inuyasha sliced and diced to soften up Naraku...Kagome just gets the finishing blow because Naraku could keep reforming. She didn't do it alone, she couldn't have done it without Inuyasha and Sesshoumaru.
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VRaptorX
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I know she couldn't do it alone. What ticks me off is after everyone else does so much she just hits him once. it's like if you spend hours getting some annoying boss down to it's last hit point, then some person puts a quarter in on the second player area and takes the last shot.
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jadehorse77
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But in this case, it's not some random person getting 'your' victory shot...it's your best friend, closest ally, lover, etc...
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VRaptorX
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I still think it's just a cheap and over-used cliche.
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jadehorse77
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Alas, that is the fate of the majority of Manga.
Go read "The Power of Myth" by Joseph Campbell. It'll make you feel better. 
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Lyssandra
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If there is an original idea anywhere in the world at this point, I will eat my own hand. In all honesty, I'VE come up with things I've thought came from my own mind, only to find out later that someone else came up with it first. Not to mention, there's a plethora of inventions and innovations out there that were thought up simultaneously around the same time. Isaac Newton's ideas were mirrored by another man within a couple of years of each other. Darwin's Origin of Species was also thought of by another man simultaneously.
The other names escape me at the moment, and there are several more examples that I won't mention. One thing is for certain, though: you can bet that whatever Takahashi has done here, someone else has come up with similar ideas, whether she is AWARE of it or not.
END RANT.
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jiggly
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wow, sis.
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jadehorse77
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Seriously. I did a research project for English on how all stories are essentially from the same batch of plotlines. Joseph Campbell is amazing, how he collected and compared the world's mythology and literature, and just shows how they're all the same, even from peoples that have never crossed paths.
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VRaptorX
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Kind of like the Epic of Gilgamesh was ripped off by the Noah's Arc.
Or how Kimba was ripped off by Lion King.
IMO the only really original idea I can think of is any movie by that guy who made spirited away, princess monoke, walking castle, etc.
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jadehorse77
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There will be a delay in the chapter this week...there's still a holiday in Japan today or tomorrow, so it may be Friday before the Shonen Sunday issues hit US shelves.
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VRaptorX
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OK.
is it just me or is there always a holiday in japan? I mean there are basically 2 holidays here that every place stops on: Easter and Xmas
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jadehorse77
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When you work as hard as Japanese businesspeople tend to do, you need a lot of holidays.
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jiggly
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that's so true, that reminds me of seto kiaba.
I wonder if he takes a lot of holidays because he works all the time.
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Lyssandra
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If he does, he doesn't enjoy them.
How long before Takahashi decides it's the end, do you think? I would like to see it end within the next five to ten chapters.
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VRaptorX
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looks like it might...though that would be a long conclusion since apparently Naraku dies in this chapter. How much more could they do in 10 chapters? Kagome and Inu either get together or not. That's 5, maybe 7 if they do a "we thought they were not going to but _____ surprises _____ on the last panel."
Miroku and Sango....3 pages. Quick snippets of other characters like Kouga, Miyoga, etc...1 page. And Sesshy is 3 pages And kaede talking....2 pages. That all together is just 1 chapter.
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jadehorse77
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Knowing Takahashi-sama, that may not be enough. I can see her giving us several chapters of just dealing with the jewel.
And the meidou that opened behind Kagome looks like Sesshoumaru's meidou, not Inuyasha's. So whatever Byakuya took from the meidou, it was a full circle, non-cutting meidou.
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VRaptorX
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OK....so Naraku wished to become the jewel itself? Or I take it the jewel is now in th eafterlife with him? So he'll have a whole army of hell near the jewel?
Also I love how they keep bringing Kikyou into all this but is Takahashi trying to get Naraku and Kikyou as a couple? Come on....dying wish wanting to be together RT. Just have Inu die saving kagome so you can have him with Kikyou but leave it open as to who he liked more. Simple.
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VRaptorX
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Wait....second thought. Since RT is really trying to shove Kikyou into this conclusion thing....Meidou opens to the dead world right.....well We have dead characters fighting along side alive characters. Essentially a huge reunion of Kagura, kanna, Kikyou (amazing how these are all females with Ka as the begining) etc vs whoever. And then we have our goodbye talks and all that.
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Lyssandra
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All I know is: I'm. So. Freaking. Happy. He's finally going to die, and I can rest easy knowing that this is finally over in possibly less than five chapters.
But why is his spine hanging out like that? Ew.
As for theories about what that meidou is for, I don't know, but considering his wish was to have Kikyou's heart, I think it might have something to do with trying to trap Kagome in hell with him... or something. Something incomprehensible is likely to happen any way we go.
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VRaptorX
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Not sure but Rt is really shoving Kikyou into this again so some sort of talk or sighting of her has to be coming for kagome or someone.
PS: though yeah....one freaking shot. How cliched. Everyone does all the damn work then she gets the one shot off. name of the manga might as well be Kagome instead of Inuyasha since he isn't the star anymore.
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jadehorse77
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Kikyou is not going to come out of that Meidou. The Meidou goes to hell, and Kikyou ascended. That's why Naraku said he couldn't go where she is. I really really don't think that "couples" in the afterlife makes any sense. Inuyasha dying to be with Kikyou, or Naraku being a couple with Kikyou...it doesn't make any sense, because Kikyou is dead. The afterlife just doesn't work that way, at least not in the Japanese beliefs that I'm familiar with.
And Vrap, Naraku didn't wish to become the jewel. I don't think that was it. His wish must have been to do some harm to Kagome, since the Meidou opened behind her after he died. The jewel became white when he died, so he's not "in" it or anything.
The most obvious thing is that he wished for Kagome to go to hell with him. You know, he couldn't have Kikyou's heart, so he'll take the next best thing. But I'd love it if it were really something like him taking Inuyasha with him, to "punish" him for being the one Kikyou loved. That would be a little more unexpected.
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VRaptorX
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the super kagome and Kikyou arrow should have finished him off though. Duel attack, kagome's upgrade and Kikyou is more powerfull than just kagome's upgrade. that's just logic. Nope instead we get the trap that insteads revives Kohaku.
And yeah she asscended....whoop dee doo. She's in heaven....alone. Um....so her good fate is eternaty away from the one she was wrongly taken from? Contradulations....you live in paradice....with noone to make you happy. Congradulations! False victory ahoy! Paradice is nothing without loved ones around you to make you happy, and this manga has shown that basically...Kikyou only cared about Inu, Kohaku and Kaede....who arn't with her right now (though Kaede should die from old age eventually)
No. I say there is one last little trick or plot twist involving her inside this meidou. I know it makes no sense but since the past few chapters have been well...blatently going on about her (and gee...having her on the cover) I expect one last little surprise. At least a talk. that is a given.
and of course meidou could just be connected to the jewel so if the jewel is pure mediou might not be hell. Just speculation though.
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jadehorse77
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Of course you want your loved ones in Paradise with you. Does that mean that Inuyasha should die immediately? Why can't he live out the rest of his life on Earth and then rejoin her at his eventual death? But in the Buddhist faith, you return to the "mass spirit" when you die, until you are reincarnated. It's like...you become a part of one big spirit, without a separate self, until the parts of you that are separate are sent back into a reincarnation. So even if two people ended up there, they wouldn't necessarily be "together" like that. In the Shinto faith, there are separate heavens for men and women. And we don't even know if youkai go to heaven...maybe they don't.
That's like saying that if a girl you love dies, you should immediately die and go with her, rather than moving on and loving another until you get to be with her again. Whether people are in heaven with you or not, the definition of heaven is a state of eternal bliss. So if someone you love isn't there, you are still 'happy', because you get to be there, you have transcended the mundane and physical world.
Many many wise men and women always warn against needing another person to "make" you happy. If you aren't happy alone, no person can "make" you happy. A lover can add to your happiness, but not create it. At least, that's been my experience.
If Kikyou comes out of the Meidou, then I'll chalk it up to RT crackheadedness not following her plot. She went up to the sky, so I assume that means she went to heaven, Naraku/Onigumo will go to hell.
Should Kagome end up there with Naraku, I wonder if she will "save" him, like she "saved" Kikyou. Now THAT would be an interesting twist. That would be "compassion for the enemy", a theme that's been going on with Sesshoumaru.
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VRaptorX
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And thyen Naraku ends up with kikyou onced saved? Something has to be happenening with Kikyou. She's been mentioned and shown a million times this chapter. There at least has to be a sighting or talk with her. you don't just keep saying the name and have nothing happen. that's like saying Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice but not have him appear.
Also....I didn't think Bhuda and Shinto was in Inuyasha. hell..heaven...Kagome imagining Inu and her married in blatant Christian church...I always figured the afterlife stuff in this manga was Christian even though the creatures are not christian mythology (where be my dragons kidnapping princesses and stealing gold?)
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jadehorse77
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Well, if it's Christianity, then we have to remember when the people asked Jesus what happens in heaven when a woman loses her husband and marries his brother. Who will be her husband in heaven? One or both? And He responded with that there are greater things than that in heaven, and that she will belong to neither of them, because things in heaven are that much beyond our ideas of how things work. I also tend to agree with that...that no matter how wonderful our loved ones may be, there are things in the spirit realm that we simply cannot comprehend with our limited minds, and that there are plenty of things there to keep us happy while we wait on our loved ones to join us.
I'm not saying Kikyou's not going to show up. I'm just saying that she really shouldn't come out of the Meidou. That's all I'm saying. With Naraku still pining for her, I wouldn't be surprised to see a ghost or a sending or something like that...just not from hell.
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VRaptorX
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Oh...OK. There was where I missunderstood you.
BTW....didn't know that passage. Interesting to know. I just always thought Inuyasha for some odd reason had a lot of Christian mythology in it.
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jadehorse77
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Well, again, that's because the World's mythology is so similar really. I see a lot of Christian parallels in Inuyasha, but I also see a lot of Shinto and Buddhism as well. Kikyou is a Shinto priestess. But the feudal era was a time when Shinto and Buddhism were beginning to blend, hence Miroku being a Buddhist monk, and the two religions began to blend on their ideas.
Yes, I don't remember off the top of my head what chapter and verse that is, but it's in one of the four gospels. It may appear more than once, since Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all writing about the same time. It's a legitimate question. If someone is married, their spouse dies, they remarry, that spouse dies, they remarry again....does that person have three spouses in heaven? The answer is...marriage isn't the same in heaven. Let's assume that all three husbands go to heaven, and the wife goes to heaven. They will all know each other, the woman will love them, they will love her. But there's not an issue of who she belongs to, no issues of jealousy, nothing like that. Because being in the presence of the all-powerful God is going to be a lot more fulfilling than worrying about who you're with. That's how I see it anyway.
That's why the Buddhist faith doesn't really interest me as much. When I die, I want to know that I'll be with my loved ones again, in addition to seeing God. If I just rejoin some mass spirit up in the sky until I have to come back again and again and again until I reach Nirvana.....it just doesn't feel as right to me personally. I'm not against Buddhism or Buddhists in any way, I totally respect the religion...I'm just saying that that's why it's not for me.
But...back on topic...that's why I feel like Kagome can live with Inuyasha, he can live out his life, (a much longer life than a human I assume), and when he eventually dies, he is rejoined with Kagome AND Kikyou, and they both love him, he loves them both. Kagome and Kikyou won't be miserable waiting around in heaven for him to die...they'll have other things to enjoy in the meantime. This is all assuming a Christian view.
Assuming a Buddhist/Shinto view, Kikyou is screwed...she's a tragic priestess, but at least her soul was saved and she can join the rest of the women in the women's heaven. Or she'll just come back again and again until she reaches Enlightenment.
Or we just assume that RT is full of crack and has no idea what she means. LOL
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VRaptorX
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I vote crack.
And wouldn't it be simlier to just in heaven go "OK...3 guys...one girl....I magically make 2 clones of you and none of you know. Mwhahahahaha!."?
yay evil laugh! LOL
and technically...Kikyou and Kagome are the same soul so how exactly would that whole both whatever stuff work for something like that (in case you have an answer. I'm just asking.)
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jadehorse77
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So, here, we're assuming Buddhism plus Shinto...because there is reincarnation.
Kikyou's tragedy is the result of her paying the price for sins from a past life. That's how karma explains why bad things happen to seemingly good people. Since we're dealing with time travel, that's the only way that two people with the same soul can coexist in the same time and space.
RT makes an exception to the rule though, explaining that Kagome's soul is so vast, that it is more than just Kikyou's soul. That's how Kikyou got her soul "back" after her resurrection. So....even though Kagome is technically a reincarnation of Kikyou, she is also something more. Now, the heaven and hell stuff is more like Shinto than Buddhism, because Buddhism doesn't have a hell. A bad person has to be reincarnated as a lesser being or as a cursed human to pay for their sins, then they get the chance again to try for enlightenment. That would be one explanation for Kikyou's tragedy...she paid the price for a past life, and then her 'goodness' makes her soul (in Kagome) able to live a better life and try for heaven. But since Kagome "saved" Kikyou and she went to heaven...eh, I dunno. It's too mixed up.
This, by the way, is why I don't like the idea of reincarnation. If the bad stuff that happens to me is because myself in a prior existence was bad...well, that just doesn't seem fair, because I (now) didn't do anything wrong, and I have no control over what a past self did. I'd much rather believe that someone is calling the shots, and using the bad things that happen to make me a stronger and better person, and then rewarding me when I come through them.
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| jadehorse77 wrote: |
This is all assuming a Christian view. |
Most Christians also assume that "if you don't believe in a one true God, you will go down into the pits of hell".
LAWLS. Those guys are some of the most hypocritical people on the planet. XD
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VRaptorX
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No Kim...your just thinking of evangelical idiots that start babbling about how Spongebob is the devil.....and republican politicians.
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| VRaptorX wrote: | | and republican politicians. |
Exactly... muwahahahahahahaha~!
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jadehorse77
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Chapter 553 is up.
Much of this chapter felt like RT saying "okay, let me stall the fans for a week so I can decide what to do."
Miroku's Kazaana is indeed gone, can we hope that Naraku is indeed dead?  ?:
I'm certain that Kagome has not lost her memories. The expression on her face as she stands in front of the high school is clearly worried and confused. She looks as if she wonders how she got there.
Inuyasha wasted no time in going after her, because he loves her. He looks completely lost without her, he's not even happy Naraku is dead. How can he, when Kagome is still in danger?
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VRaptorX
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the meidou sent her to her time?
Um.....wasn't it the land of the dead before?
And no twist? damn....I wanted a twist
also in the 2nd movie naraku undid teh Kazaana to trick the group into thinking he was dead so Naraku may not be gone.
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VRaptorX
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I guess the new rule of the Meidou is it can send you anywhere, not just hell?
oh well...I'll go with it.
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jiggly
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well, i personaly think that the manga is very meaningless right now.Its gone from awesome, to ok, to things that piss people off, make no sence, and make people want to bang their head on a wall.
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jadehorse77
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I disagree. Inuyasha got the Meidou from Sesshoumaru, and changed it's nature to the Cutting Meidou. If Byakuya stole it, I assume he would have imparted a bit of his own style into it...so logically it would be the Meidou of Illusion. That would make sense to me.
And maybe Kagome really did get sent back to her time, and maybe she is just floating around in the Meidou imagining it.
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VRaptorX
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oh yeah....Byakuya's illusions. Interesting theory. Yeah I guess not being able to get to Inu would be Kagome's personal hell.
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jiggly
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well, i don't really like kagome, so i feel good about that.
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jadehorse77
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So it was indeed an illusion, trying to make her forget. But seeing the Goshinboku immediately brought back her memories/knowledge of Inuyasha. So no matter what the jewel was trying to do with her, her bond with Inuyasha was too strong for it. Aww.
Presumably, Inuyasha is wandering around trying to get to her. He immediately jumped in his own Meidou last week, so he must be up to something.
So the ultimate bad guy Naraku has been replaced with the jewel...who fears Kagome because she can render it nonexistent.
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VRaptorX
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so the jewel...does fear Kagome?
*face palm*
Oh well....I'll go with it. There is what...two faces of the jewel we still havn't seen after all. Though why would the jewel fear what purified it and guarded it? That's like if the Jewel attempted to kill Kikyou instead of Naraku doing it.
Speaking of which, since we are going full circle and all...I'm guessing Kagome lives happily and Kikyou ends up somehow taking the jewel with her.
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jiggly
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man, the manga has been going down hill fast.
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jiggly
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oh, the jewel fears kagome! Bull sh*t.
Jewels are inanimate objects Takahashi, they can't fear anything! 
sorry, i got a little carried away with that one.
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VRaptorX
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Well...you think we'll even see the other 2 entities inside the jewel?
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jiggly
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it's possible, 51% chance
and you know what they say, 48% of all percentages are made up on the spot.
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jadehorse77
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The spoilers point to the whole "battle within the jewel" thing...you know, Midoriko vs. the youkai. It looks like the youkai try to tempt Kagome, so that makes me happy...RT's actually sticking to her own plot! 
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jiggly
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woah, i thought that would never happen!
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